Our form over the past while has been patchy. We are either hammering teams at home or struggling away from home. That’s been frustrating especially for the fans who pay good money to travel to away games. However the up and down performances are not my main worry.
Since we won the league some of our main players have been away on holiday. This in itself is not a bad thing, afterall it has been a long season with lots of games and the Champions League qualifiers start in July. My major concerns follow. Will these players still be mentally tuned in after a holiday ? Can they all come together again and show the degree of hunger required to win a Cup final?
I sincerely hope I’m worrying over nothing but there just seems to be so much chopping and changing going on. Hopefully over the last couple of games the team can gel together again for one final push and the holiday’s don’t have a negative impact.
My thoughts on the Alex Thompson piece on clubs, freedom of speech, Shug Keevins and bans.. as below.
‘Fan of the Ban’.
Seen a lot of chatter on journalistic freedom and the like recently.
Celtic fans agreeing and disagreeing with each other and others on the right or not of a club to use the banning order on the journalistic credential and would that then be a block on one’s freedoms.
Of course journalists will argue probably to a man or woman that it’s against the freedoms of the press, but then they would say that considering that’s how they make their coin and reputation.
Others though might argue that one’s home is one’s castle and how we manage our affairs are quite frankly, bugger all to do with them.
If your invited into one’s space then respect it, or ‘hit the road pal’ would in my opinion, be the beat from the feet on the street. Flashing a press badge to allow shitting on one’s parade, don’t really cut it for me.
I’m reminded of the neighbours we disliked as kids who always thought nobody could see them silhouetted at there windows peeking through the small opening between the curtains with phone in hand at every single noise or passer by.
The nosy neighbour that nobody, but nobody liked. ‘The snoop’.
Even the authorities got fed up with constant complaints every-time someone sneezed outside their windows. ‘But I’m a community vigilante’ made no difference, in fact it made it worse on the streets of the scheme, the respectable grass got short shrift I can tell you.
Bursts into song : ‘ We kin see you lookin oot ! ‘.
Look at the football grounds as an extension of those streets, for for the most part they are that extension, the street corner all but disappeared and moved lock stock and barrel to the fitba grounds.
Cue the press pass and the twitching curtains of respectable vigilante, paying nothing to enter but constantly taking the piss and all in the name of telling us what we see and hear for ourselves from our fellow fitba goers.
Does anyone actually think these folk know better or more about our enjoyment or upset more than our fellow supporters?.
Personally I don’t need some condescending egotist full of his own self importance acting like the oracle or the headstrong headmaster in primary school, telling me what is in fact glaringly obvious in an attempt to further his own career on the back of slaughtering the place I call home. Especially not for free!.
Deep breath, rant resisted with difficulty, so I head back to the debate..
So anyway it was chatted back and forth, the merits, ban or not, positions where taken either way, some that it would be a suppression of free speech and also possibly expression, but I have to say that I don’t get that or agree with that at all, I have to side with the alternate argument. Therefore, I am a fan of the ban.
You see, as I see it nobody is stopping him or her from scribbling their thoughts or beliefs or what they might discover according to their job status that may well be in the public interest.
Nobody is preventing said character from reporting what they might wish to report are they, how could they ?.
Outside the ground or indeed any owned property, the proprietor/owner would not have that influence unless provided by legal status through order of a court on complaint.
I don’t believe ownership of speech or expression could be a part of that wider remit being that said character was no longer making a nuisance of themselves on the premises. ( In this case I say thank God for that. )
One case in particular I can think of in recent times and is being discussed, has often had me wondering why it took the club so long and why this banning style so far has been limited to one journalistic individual ‘ no prizes for guessing’ albeit long overdue.
You see many supporters unlike the free press, have paid good money for many years and have been banned for life for arguably less damaging displays than some of those guys.
For me that’s wrong.
I see no reason for press immunity to the possibility of a swift life-term removal for any that are hell bent on damaging the good name of a club when purely seen as chief mischief maker with a personal bone to pick, as I believe this particular chap to be.
The words ‘Journalist’ and ‘Respected’ I take with a massive dose of hilarity in conjunction with some of these guys, this one in particular. Outside of journalistic circles I see no such evidence of this ability to be termed as journalism or indeed any such signs of respect, and to my mind certain ‘Journalists’ are no more than idle gossips, tittle tattle story tellers or frankly modern day sweetie wives who just love a blether, usually about somebody else.
Some in my book should have been presented with the life ban many moons previous and are allowed still to bang on with their freedoms to speak and express, as is their right, but they also expect to be allowed such activity which can be damaging to any institution, business or home, more so from within those actual premises and usually by the welcome mat invitation and as such should then be halted.
In fact banning orders from the football grounds should, again in my opinion, be winging their way in all haste to the relevant desktops as we speak. There are quite a few I would submit well worthy of those.
‘Yer not welcome to sample our delicious home made food only to force your fingers down your throat to vomit it back onto our laps, for a story on gastric flu buster’.
Perhaps it could be argued to be a restriction of sorts but I would say only on one’s freedom of movement.
After all it’s the club in question he/she is being refused entry into, just as a shopkeeper has the right to refuse to sell anyone or even prohibit access, usually it has to be said, with good cause.
Does the journalistic badge like some super hero comic strip accessory, supersede the rights of an owner to deny such access when he ‘the owner’ considers that access to have a serious detrimental effect on his/her business ?
I think not for that then is a restriction of his/her freedoms of choice. His human right.
To put it another way, what journalist or indeed citizen would continue to invite and welcome someone into their home or place of work who continuously decided to criticise their home or perhaps more unusually, to decide to squat and take a dump on their front lawn or dining room with amazing regularity, perhaps in front of friends,relatives or neighbours.
None after that first time, I would suggest.
So I apply the same logic. It’s not against freedom of speech or expression at all, it’s the protection of one’s property and good name, it’s sensible to safeguard your self respect. Being a journo i’m afraid is neither here nor there, they’re really not more important.
Nobody would invite someone to constantly criticise them, their home or their business, especially when they believe such a critique was forthcoming from an individual that the large customer base or family members strongly resented, disrespected and frankly couldn’t stomache and were believed to be working to an agenda, would they really ?.
No, not for me I’m afraid.
Freedom of speech is not impaired, nor is that freedom of expression. It’s clear those options are still very much open to the journalist or whoever, be it him or her reporting in speech and/or in writing.
Movement however I would agree has, can and no doubt will be restricted, and personally I find no problem with that at all.
The owner has a right and a duty to defend his product and property from perceived scoundrels or vultures desperate to pick over the bones of his own dislike whilst using the guise of press immunity. He has a right to listen to his majority customer base also.
If the journalist, he/she or for that matter anyone else, cannot behave according to set rules & regulation of said property, the owner or his customer ‘let’s say as in the case of the football club’ then like an unruly supporter his access to the stadium, the team, the business in any part, should most definitely be denied.
I have just used my freedom of speech and expression to assist in the removal of the movement of people who abuse that privilege at the club I consider home.
I noticed today there is a bit of a debate surrounding a proposed statue dedicated to Celt’s For Change. My personal opinion is this. I don’t and could not care less about statues outside Celtic park. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice to commemorate important Celtic people or groups but we have a bigger problem to sort out just now.
We should not be getting bogged down is silly infighting over a statue when we are still waiting for answers from this current board on their relationship with Strathclyde Police now Police Scotland. We are still waiting on answers to why this current board seem reluctant to back Celtic supporters who are being harassed by the Police for alleged ’Thought crimes’.
So if we are going to have an internal debate in my opinion it should be about this current issue which is far more important to the well being of the entire club than who’s said what regarding Celts for change and what statues people want.
We need this ‘communication’ problem with the board sorted out ASAP, then we can argue about statues.
Bigger Picture CSC
I simply can not fcuking believe it. My life seems full to overflowing with flabergastation (now there IS an Americanism if you ever saw one) of late. A month or so ago we had the conclusion of the commission held under the “impartial” auspices of the “honourable”, for one must not judge lest he become the judged, Lord Nimmo Smith and friends (of Rangers could we say or might we be told to fcuk off). The subsequent silence from previously vociferous quarters announcing imminent Armageddon was not just deafening but deafeningly defining. Then, of course we had the recent “rioting” by – how many was it, three? – at Dundee.
More recently we had The Gallowgate Boston Tea Party. Examining the “uprising” on the “quiet” streets of Glasgow in the context of the American protests of December 16th 1773 provides, in my bizarre imagination anyway, some weak tea correlation between that event and the new crowd-control phenomenon of “kettling” (sounds like bringing what was perfectly cold and stable to boiling point to me, possibly a very apt description of what took place in Glasgow) which was used, or should one say overused, very effectively to antagonise demonstrably peaceful demonstrators and to deprive ordinary decent citizens of their civil liberties and the right to protest against blatant injustice – sorry, blatant stupidity. It would go some way to making restitution if the authorities recognised, as history has done in the case of Boston, that the peaceful actions of 16th March 2013 in Glasgow’s city centre were unquestionably for a righteous cause. However, it has to be acknowledged that we will never know all the facts that led to the reaction of the police. There are several scenarios two of which may provide some answers. It is known that the response teams were readily available because of their presence at the nearby right wing demonstration and not because of some conspiratorial preparation. Had this not been the case then perhaps the police numbers immediately available might not have been so numerous. The second point to be made in favour of the police is that they are often merely carrying out orders which may be dictated by the specific intentions of someone in higher authority. There are certainly accusations on both sides as to the cause of the kettling and while the evidence to hand would seem to confirm police over reaction this must be balanced by the actual illegality of the actual event and the unknown agenda that instigated the police response. It is unlikely that we will ever get to the bottom of police orders just as the evidence of the supporters may not necessarily disclose all that was perpetrated by individuals. Not withstanding any of this, there are certainly issues surrounding the whole legislation and I have good cause to believe that the ordinary bobby feels as strongly opposed to the imposition of it as they are frustrated by the confusion it causes as any football supporters. What is a problem for Celtic supporters in particular is that many of our own do not recognise the insidiousness of this law and look to target the behaviour of The Green Brigade rather than oppose the unnecessary and ridiculous legislation. This same support seems not to recognise or understand the need to oppose legislation that specifically targets and suppresses the legitimate behaviour of all football fans but more especially if that targeting is selective within its own club support. It would appear that the lack of physical presence for the demonstration in George Square on 6th April indicates a similar attitude from the Celtic board in spite of their apparent verbal protestations against the legislation. In conclusion, if an event is illegal it does not in itself give the police cart blanch to act with aggression and violence if that is what happened. The police are not meant to be an army of Frankensteins, hell bent on creating monsters from the unsuspecting and the unprepared. Law, as I was reared to understand it, is meant to be a safeguard and the police there to enforce and uphold it for the protection of all citizens. It is not a cudgel with which to club or browbeat a chief constable’s personal and political agenda into the heads of those who disagree with it. It would seem there are those in high places who think it is and there are those too lily-livered to oppose their abuse of power – witness the whole negotiation scenario surrounding preparations and post event organisation for George’s Square and afterwards on Saturday, 6th April.
And now to last week when we are informed that Neil Lennon, manager of Celtic Football Club, has offended the delicacy of football players, fans and T.V. audiences and brought disrepute to the unblemished game by using what are euphemistically called “swear words” or “cursing”. A trip to a good dictionary will clarify that the lack of vocabulary expressed by Mr. Lennon can in no way be interpreted as “swearing” or “cursing” in the true definition of these words. Can I just say that if these words are so offensive to delicate ears then most modern television programmes and movies should only be watched wearing ear muffs. They have become almost household in their commonness on screens. Actors have become so fluent in old fashioned expletives that they are now regarded as colourfully expressive literary dialogue, up there with Willie Shakespeare plays and the best names in English literature. Yet it seems these same words used by Mr. Lennon were deemed not to be expletively emphatic but rather to be unacceptably offensive to the fragile ears of the footballing community in St. Mirren Park and elsewhere. I watched the archive footage of the match on Celtic TV the Monday afterwards and I have to say that Mr. Lennon’s only fault, as far as I heard, would appear to be how limited his expressive dialogue with Jim Goodwin seemed to be. I have heard longer and more embellished tirades of colourful language used in primary school banter. And are we to believe that St. Mirren Park is the only arena to have experienced such language and Mr. Lennon the only “offender“. In my own supporting days I can guarantee to have heard and (blushing) used as brightly shaded and more deeply coloured expressions of the English language in numerous stadiums throughout Scotland, the U.K., Europe and even the world. Any decent lip reader will confirm its use in every square inch of a football stadium and by every section of people therein as seen each time a game is shown on T.V. I would go as far as to maintain that anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear will have learned more foreign language expletives than any other foreign language vocabulary simply through watching football on T.V. I am quite certain that if we were technically competent, similar local verbal specialities would be quite common on the playing fields of the most distant galaxies. Certainly I have heard both large and small, broad and tall in an extensive array of colours use “technical” terms not found in a dictionary to emphasise their emotions. I have heard them frequently on and off the pitch, among staff, players and watchers at Celtic Park over many years. I will refrain from commenting on the newest club in Scottish football as I have not listened to nor witnessed any of their incomparable games. It could well be that their charismatic and highly influential C.E.O. has managed to stamp out such verbal atrocities along with the bigotry, sectarianism and violence, miraculously (as with so many “negative” components of that club) never picked up by mics or caught by T.V. cameras. We do know it was never used by any managers of that club in the past, at least none that were reported – surprise, surprise.
Nor am I convinced that such language is limited to football as history records a considerable amount of fcuking taking place in the sport of kings, queens and concubines. And many a “bastard” has made his mark in the annals as a consequence.
In truth, it is more likely the delicate flowers of Hampden have decided they must find Mr. Lennon guilty of some misdemeanour. It irks them beyond tolerance that he has gone for so long without offending them. They simply will not accept that he behaves appropriately when not incensed by certain confrontational individuals. Their minds and hearts simply will not accept such reformation in Mr. Lennon. The image is not fit for purpose, their purpose. So, without any justification for pulling him up for football infringements, they have turned, for the first time ever in football history, to blasphemy and sent him to Pilate Lunny for trial. He will no doubt scrub his hands with carbolic soap as he recommends that Mr. Lennon be crucified even though he finds the man has done no wrong. No doubt it will be a good excuse to once more release Barabbas Green in spite of his outrageously rebellious and profane tirades, his defamations of authorities, his outrageously selfish “negotiations” and his manipulative and underhand shenanigans. Is it not strange, no probably not, how delicate ears can be variously affected not by what is said but by what they wish to hear? And so it is that the priority in the current state of Scottish football is unquestionably the re-establishment of queen’s English. Of course, for all right thinking folk, there is nothing in the game so much in need of reform at this present time. Yet, somehow one gets the feeling in one’s cynical bones that once Mr. Lennon has been dealt with, the gurus will without doubt reassess the problem of correct vocabulary and conclude it is a very minor issue in a sport not renowned for its oratorical expertise. The one sure-fire certainty is we will never hear of another case again.
Come on. What else do you expect for fcuk’s sake?
By Pensioner Bhoy
Yesterday Celtic fans along with some other supporters stood shoulder to shoulder in Glasgow’s George Square. We all stood there to show our resistance and defiance against the worst piece of legislation passed outside North Korea.
The people who turned out were a credit to their clubs and fellow supporters. Jeanette Findley’s speech was simply inspiring. She hit every target with the accuracy of a top sniper.
One thing was missing though. With the vast majority of supporters there being Celtic supporters once again our board could not bring themselves to offer any support for the fans who are the lifeblood of our club. For all their social media outlets including the web site and Celtic TV this board could not even offer one word of support to our fans who are being criminalised and the rest of us who stand beside them.
Peter Lawwell and his board have done a magnificent job in turning the club into a stand alone business. There is no doubt about that and they should be given praise for their efforts. However somewhere along the line they have shown a total disrespect for the Celtic support. Parallels are now being drawn with the old board in as much as there is now once again a breakdown in communication and trust between the life blood of the club and it’s current custodians. This is really unfortunate and it is something that needs to be sorted out ASAP.
What’s the point of having a well run business when you have a dwindling and disenfranchised client base Peter ? That does not make a sustainable business model Peter.
On the 26th of December 2012 Celtic defeated Dundee 2 – 0 at Dens Park. That night a Dundee official said he had witnessed the worst football violence since the 1970′s .
Peter Lawwell was so incensed that he asked the ticket office to supply him with the names of all season ticket holders for section 111 who had tickets for that game. Why he never just asked for the names of every season ticket holder who was there is so far a mystery. The following day bloggers, journos and ex Celtic players who were not present had a dig at our support for this ‘riot’.
So far on planet Earth I’ve yet to meet anyone who was there say there was a riot. I have been told of a fight that took place between two families who had a grudge to settle but a fight is not a riot. For anyone in doubt this sadly is a riot.
Now the above riot has been documented on video and in pictures and it led to the banning of alcohol in Scottish football grounds. Not only that but tighter controls on entry to a match.
The strange thing about the Dundee riot of 2012 is that we have not seen any video or picture evidence neither has their been any high level or even low level ‘summit’ held by any politicians, Police or football authorities. Surely if there was such a threat to public order at Dens Park then the high and mighty of the land would have been commissioning reports and holding investigations into this ‘riot’.
So in an attempt to find out what really happened we would like people to post links to video and images of the Dundee riot. If there was indeed a riot I’m sure there will be plenty of hard evidence to support this. Just like Hampden 1980 and The Gallowgate Tea Party 2013.
TCN is not here to hide stuff like this so if there is proof of a riot we will publish it.
At last the ever depressing international humiliation break is over and the real football is back.
On Sunday for 90 minutes at love street we can put the sad developments of the past few weeks to the back of our minds and get on with supporting the team. I’ll have plenty to say about the other stuff next week.
This weekend is all about our team and I’m looking forward to Sunday. Should be a cracking game. St Mirren are the worthy holdes of the League Cup and in winning that trophy they deserve respect. Danny Lennon and his team are now legends in their supporters eyes and they deserve the tag. It’s great for Scottish football that a club that lives within their means and properly engages with their local community get the rewards they deserve.
So enough of the Cup winners, what about Celtic ?
Well as I type there has been no presser from today on Celtic TV however it would seem those who were away on international duty are ok. I might be wrong because I’ve been away chillin in the hielans. There will be eyes on the Dundee v Motherwell game on Saturday. If Dundee win the game then it sets us up for a right cracker on Sunday. Simply if results go our way we can win the league next Saturday. That would be magic for me because it would mean for 2 years in a row I’ll be at a Paul Larkin book launch on the day we won the title.
Regardless of who plays on Sunday or any other results we need all the guys on the pitch to be on their game and the fans in the stands to take the roof off the place.
The business end of the season is now in full swing. Come on the Leather Belts \o/
UPDATE: :Rogne is out, (hamstring), Ledley, (groin) and Forrest is still out.Matthews is back next week and Mulgrew is back from hamstring injury.
Delighted to report that from what I seen there was a great response today at the Fans Against Criminalisation evidence gathering session in regards of last weeks Gallowgate Tea Party (Kettle supplied) hosted by Strathclyde’s finest.
As you can see from the picture I took some legal steps to hide my identity from any nosey coppers who might have been just ‘sort of’ hanging around.
I met and had a chat with some cracking people and acording to them the place had been busy from the moment it opened.
I’d like to thank all the people from FAC who gave up their free time to take evidence from supporters. Your hands must be sore.
Special Hail, Hail to Hugh,Danny and Angela it was nice to chat.
Les Gray, who recently retired as chairman of the Scottish Police Federation was on BBC Newsnight Scotland spinning like a spider on Speed. Quite frankly Mr Gray came across as a petty minded man churning out the party line with no real substance to his rent a gob statements.
Below we will debunk some of Mr Gray’s fantasy remarks with cold hard honest facts.
LG: The police where left with absolutely no choice.They informed them it was an illegal procession.
TCN: The Police did have a choice, the very same choice they had to make when they policed an illegal gathering by anti fascist protesters in Glasgow hours earlier when they chose to stand off and make no arrests even although the organisers had been served with a letter from Campbell Corrigan Assistant Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police informing them their gathering and march was illegal. The Green Brigade and we fellow protesters did not receive anything like this.
LG: This incident had nothing to do with the offensive behavior at football act.This is merely a public order incident.We have a crowd of people who have gathered and decided to have an unofficial Protest.
TCN: Massaging the fact’s here. Myself and others were there as a direct consequence of the Offensive Behavior at football act. If we did not feel your former colleagues were abusing the powers of this act then we would not have been there. You now say the protest was unofficial? So what is it Mr Gray ‘unofficial’ or ‘illegal’ ? Maybe you want to refer to our first reply.
LG: What if we have other organisations Doing that ?
TCN: We do, every week. In fact that very morning as it happens.
LG: There is a huge Health and Safety issue with These People who decide to do this week in week out. First of all the Police could not cover it, secondly there’s a huge Health and Safety issue with these people who walk down the street? …People may get knocked down and what if there was a secondary demonstration?
TCN: Who are ‘these people’ ? Are you referring to people who would like to peacefully demonstrate against what they perceive as injustices ? Ah and the old ‘Health and Safety’ patter ? Well there was NO counter demonstration and there never was going to be. I’m sure your ex colleagues already knew that or if not Police intelligence is in fact just an oxymoron and a waste of public funds. As for people getting knocked down there was a danger from that as young boys and members of the general public ran away from Police wielding batons. Oh and before we leave your favorite topic of Health and Safety we have to mention the fact that an innocent OAP in his seventies was caught up in and held in your former colleagues ’Kettling’ while standing in freezing driving sleet. Aye health and safety right enough.
LG: The incident we seen the other day there was a serious threat to public order.
TCN: Totally agree with that Les. There would have been a serious threat to public order if Celtic fans had not ignored aggressive Police tactics and remained peaceful.
LG: This wasn’t a crowd of people who turned up and gave out flowers and deciding we’ll just go for a wee walk here. They pulled their hoodies up and put scarves over their faces so they could not be identified….This wasn’t a peaceful protest…
TCN: I don’t think anyone was expecting flowers, as you’ll remember Valentines day was last month. So flowers were not high on our agenda. Since when has it been a crime to pull on a hood which comes as part of a garment for that use or cover your face with a scarf ? I’m beginning to agree with Lwords that this seems to be an issue for the fashion Police. You also seem to have a miraculous talent for mind reading especially as you don’t appear to have been present at the incident. However you are right it wasn’t a peaceful protest..well it was really until Strathclyde Police turned up and started a game of ‘Let’s kid on it’s North Korea’.
LG: I can assure you that Strathclyde Police nor any other Police force in Scotland has the manpower or the will to just target people willy nilly.
TCN: We’ll take that as an admission that the operation on Saturday was pre planned by Strathclyde Police. Thank you Sir.
You can see Mr Gray’s intellectual musings on the ‘Gallowgate Tea Party’ (kettle supplied) and other fine points of a free society here http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rhdc7/Newsnight_Scotland_19_03_2013/
Warning- Nae hoodies, hoods, brollies, rainmates, scarfs, walking on the public highway or singing. Thanks